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		<title>Comment on Email test results to inspire you by SEO Kielce</title>
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		<description>Hello, i think that i saw you visited my website so i came to “return the favor”.I&#039;m attempting to find things to improve my site!I suppose its ok to use some of your ideas!!</description>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on If the email&#8217;s legal, it can&#8217;t be spam. Can it? by MailPro</title>
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		<description>According to me email is a legal but depends upon the contents that are provided.If the content is spam or it a fraud mails then its a illegal else if the content is a useful,correct then its a great helpful to a user to gain knowledge</description>
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		<title>Comment on If the email&#8217;s legal, it can&#8217;t be spam. Can it? by Robin C Kennedy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:47:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point Mark - some great comments already.

IMO, any entity that attempts to pass the minimum legal requirements to not be labelled, prosecuted, or suffer some form of censure as a &quot;spammer&quot; is quite a good indication that there will be scant or zero implicit permission present on the part of recipients to receive messages from that sender. 

Closely aligned with this is the level of engagement, likelihood of recognition of the sender, and &quot;acceptance&quot; of both the relevance and timeliness of the content by the recipients. Once these fall below a certain level, the recipient will regard it as &quot;spam&quot; - regardless of any &quot;legal entitlement&quot; to send.

High volume senders with relatively low distribution costs experiencing drops in open and click rates can easily, and will readily, simply increase sending volumes and frequency to hit targets - regardless of the detrimental effects to all &quot;good&quot; senders. 

This combined with the enormous increase in peer-to-peer email volumes as a result of increasing Social Media adoption and daily deals alerting - and it is not long before the receiving mail servers become swamped - at particular times of the day when usage volumes spike. 

Hence the increase in &quot;intelligent inboxes&quot; and tightening of filters which focus more on positive interactions between sending domains, domains and IP addresses in combination, content (including URL&#039;s), and volume patterns. They have little choice, they can&#039;t let it all in - and must distibute the load. 

The &quot;clever&quot; or maybe more &quot;tricksy&quot; emailers/spammers will continue to devise ways to &quot;fly under the radar&quot; of these filters - and stopping them will continue to be the challenge for the ISP&#039;s/webmail providers - and this fight will continue to negatively effect &quot;good&quot; senders of high volume email and will increase the delivery (rather than distribution) costs for good senders.

To me, this is the primary reason for well formatted, good content, sent to engaged subscribers, from domains and IP addresses with good sending reputations being diverted to &quot;junk&quot; folders.

Nobody is immune - or can make themselves so. Good practise will triumph in the end but it becomes more expensive.

When major players with dominant market share start to cross this line, it becomes very worrying. I recently (yesterday) received an unsolicited email with a do not reply from THE global search giant to an email address that had been &quot;invented&quot; by placing the word &quot;info&quot; in front of one of my domains, written in a language I do not speak, informing me of changes to their Privacy Policy - really?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point Mark &#8211; some great comments already.</p>
<p>IMO, any entity that attempts to pass the minimum legal requirements to not be labelled, prosecuted, or suffer some form of censure as a &#8220;spammer&#8221; is quite a good indication that there will be scant or zero implicit permission present on the part of recipients to receive messages from that sender. </p>
<p>Closely aligned with this is the level of engagement, likelihood of recognition of the sender, and &#8220;acceptance&#8221; of both the relevance and timeliness of the content by the recipients. Once these fall below a certain level, the recipient will regard it as &#8220;spam&#8221; &#8211; regardless of any &#8220;legal entitlement&#8221; to send.</p>
<p>High volume senders with relatively low distribution costs experiencing drops in open and click rates can easily, and will readily, simply increase sending volumes and frequency to hit targets &#8211; regardless of the detrimental effects to all &#8220;good&#8221; senders. </p>
<p>This combined with the enormous increase in peer-to-peer email volumes as a result of increasing Social Media adoption and daily deals alerting &#8211; and it is not long before the receiving mail servers become swamped &#8211; at particular times of the day when usage volumes spike. </p>
<p>Hence the increase in &#8220;intelligent inboxes&#8221; and tightening of filters which focus more on positive interactions between sending domains, domains and IP addresses in combination, content (including URL&#8217;s), and volume patterns. They have little choice, they can&#8217;t let it all in &#8211; and must distibute the load. </p>
<p>The &#8220;clever&#8221; or maybe more &#8220;tricksy&#8221; emailers/spammers will continue to devise ways to &#8220;fly under the radar&#8221; of these filters &#8211; and stopping them will continue to be the challenge for the ISP&#8217;s/webmail providers &#8211; and this fight will continue to negatively effect &#8220;good&#8221; senders of high volume email and will increase the delivery (rather than distribution) costs for good senders.</p>
<p>To me, this is the primary reason for well formatted, good content, sent to engaged subscribers, from domains and IP addresses with good sending reputations being diverted to &#8220;junk&#8221; folders.</p>
<p>Nobody is immune &#8211; or can make themselves so. Good practise will triumph in the end but it becomes more expensive.</p>
<p>When major players with dominant market share start to cross this line, it becomes very worrying. I recently (yesterday) received an unsolicited email with a do not reply from THE global search giant to an email address that had been &#8220;invented&#8221; by placing the word &#8220;info&#8221; in front of one of my domains, written in a language I do not speak, informing me of changes to their Privacy Policy &#8211; really?</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the email&#8217;s legal, it can&#8217;t be spam. Can it? by Dela Quist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dela Quist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom
True spam ceased to be a significant problem for consumers several years ago, but because it still remains a problem for the ISP’s. I am very sympathetic to their plight, but the ISP’s have gone too far and have set up measures that apart from failing to stop spam are completely unreasonable.
As you have pointed out 80 percent of all spam delivered to North America and Europe is sent by only 100 spam gangs, comprised of about 200-300 individuals around the world, ISP’s know this, so why should an email sent Walmart, Sears or The Wall Street Journal who all apparently use upmarket ESP’s all of whom claim great relationships with the ISP’s, get labeled spam and dumped in the junk folder?
 Yet rather than complain that the ISP’s are restraining legitimate companies from going about their legitimate business, the ESPs, deliverability companies, and the vast majority of marketing experts out there seem to take the view that if an email you send doesn’t reach someone’s inbox, it’s your fault. No one is questioning whether the ISPs’ response to the spam issue is reasonable, legitimate or effective.
Which is why I am even more concerned about this “new” push by the purveyors of fear uncertainty and doubt to get engagement (bit.ly/a7kf9E) - a subjective term if I ever heard one on the deliverability agenda
A world in which a spammer can get into enough inboxes to make $millions a year at a conversion rate of 1:12,500,000 while a global brand using a Tier 1 ESP has to jump through ever smaller hoops to reach its own customers has to be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom<br />
True spam ceased to be a significant problem for consumers several years ago, but because it still remains a problem for the ISP’s. I am very sympathetic to their plight, but the ISP’s have gone too far and have set up measures that apart from failing to stop spam are completely unreasonable.<br />
As you have pointed out 80 percent of all spam delivered to North America and Europe is sent by only 100 spam gangs, comprised of about 200-300 individuals around the world, ISP’s know this, so why should an email sent Walmart, Sears or The Wall Street Journal who all apparently use upmarket ESP’s all of whom claim great relationships with the ISP’s, get labeled spam and dumped in the junk folder?<br />
 Yet rather than complain that the ISP’s are restraining legitimate companies from going about their legitimate business, the ESPs, deliverability companies, and the vast majority of marketing experts out there seem to take the view that if an email you send doesn’t reach someone’s inbox, it’s your fault. No one is questioning whether the ISPs’ response to the spam issue is reasonable, legitimate or effective.<br />
Which is why I am even more concerned about this “new” push by the purveyors of fear uncertainty and doubt to get engagement (bit.ly/a7kf9E) &#8211; a subjective term if I ever heard one on the deliverability agenda<br />
A world in which a spammer can get into enough inboxes to make $millions a year at a conversion rate of 1:12,500,000 while a global brand using a Tier 1 ESP has to jump through ever smaller hoops to reach its own customers has to be wrong.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If the email&#8217;s legal, it can&#8217;t be spam. Can it? by Tom O'Leary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom O'Leary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 17:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for tabling this topic again Mark. 

Back in 2010, I linked to your article &quot;Marketing Email or Spam&quot; in a piece that I hoped would clarify the whole spam and delivery conundrum. If interested, you can find that post at http://blog.group-mail.com/2010/05/08/spam-sender-reputation-isps-and-recipient-behavior/

Here are some things that frustrate me about spam, the misunderstanding about it and the approach to resolve it:

1. People who think that anyone who sends email to a large email list are spammers. 

Even when I tell people that Amazon and most successful companies use email marketing regularly to communicate with people and [insert shock horror] even promote special offers, new products and services and to send other messages relevant to their business; they just can&#039;t bring themselves to draw a distinctive line between legitimate, opt-in group email activity and Nigerian 419 spam. It&#039;s like trying to discuss the history of the world with a Young Earth Creationist. So frustrating.


2. People who don&#039;t understand the difference between email sending limits and spam.

I often get calls from people saying &quot;My ISP won&#039;t let me send my newsletter to my opt-in customer list because they say I&#039;m spamming.&quot;

When I tell them that their ISP isn&#039;t, in fact, calling them a spammer -- that it is just an email sending policy that they (and all other outgoing SMTP mail servers) have in place to control the volume of email traffic being processed by their mail servers each hour/day and NOT a judgement about what they are sending, they are reluctant to accept it -- UNTIL I get them set up with a mail server that has a daily send limit which actually supports their list size and sending frequency and they see first hand that everything gets delivered as it should.

3. How difficult inbox delivery has become for legitimate senders over the years as a result of the huge business that antispam has become. There are myriad (and non-standardized) antispam products and services everywhere now, like toll booths on the email highway to control spam. There is a lot of money to be made in the antispam business. Unfortunately, the money being spent isn&#039;t having any significant effect on the volume of real spam being sent. 

This is frustrating, because 80% of the world&#039;s spam (you know, the viagra, stock, weight loss stuff and everything else that is completely irrelevant to us and clogs up our inbox) is sent from only 100 spam gangs (comprised of 400-600 KNOWN people in the world) according to Spamhaus&#039; Rosco database. 

It is unfair that the 2 billion other emailers around the world have to pay the price for the ineffective strategy to thwart those 400 individuals from sending the billions of messages that they do each day to make a profit from the 0.00001% conversion rate that they get (1 conversion for every 12,500,000 emails!). 

We once called spam &quot;batch and blast&quot;. Ironically, antispam is taking the same approach at the moment. They are disrupting billions of emailers in order to control the spamming of 400 individuals. It&#039;s like they are carpet bombing the Internet to defeat 100 spam gangs. 

We could pay those 400 spammers 100 times more than they make by spamming to NOT spam if we just sent the money spent on antispam directly to them rather than spending it on all of the gates and gatekeepers and products and services and companies who have their sales forces out sweeping the globe to help us to keep spam away. 

We could, in fact, hire those 400 spammers (who seem to always be one step ahead of the antispam industry) to devise a much more productive antispam system than we have now -- a system that doesn&#039;t make legitimate senders jump through so many hoops to send a simple email to their customers and expect a good inbox delivery rate.

Recently, I posited that antispam is actually more annoying (and costly) than spam ever was. You can read it at http://blog.group-mail.com/2011/08/20/is-antispam-worse-than-spam-a-libertarian-view/

Thanks again Mark!

Tom 

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Tom O&#039;Leary (marketing)
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Celebrating 15 Years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for tabling this topic again Mark. </p>
<p>Back in 2010, I linked to your article &#8220;Marketing Email or Spam&#8221; in a piece that I hoped would clarify the whole spam and delivery conundrum. If interested, you can find that post at <a href="http://blog.group-mail.com/2010/05/08/spam-sender-reputation-isps-and-recipient-behavior/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.group-mail.com/2010/05/08/spam-sender-reputation-isps-and-recipient-behavior/</a></p>
<p>Here are some things that frustrate me about spam, the misunderstanding about it and the approach to resolve it:</p>
<p>1. People who think that anyone who sends email to a large email list are spammers. </p>
<p>Even when I tell people that Amazon and most successful companies use email marketing regularly to communicate with people and [insert shock horror] even promote special offers, new products and services and to send other messages relevant to their business; they just can&#8217;t bring themselves to draw a distinctive line between legitimate, opt-in group email activity and Nigerian 419 spam. It&#8217;s like trying to discuss the history of the world with a Young Earth Creationist. So frustrating.</p>
<p>2. People who don&#8217;t understand the difference between email sending limits and spam.</p>
<p>I often get calls from people saying &#8220;My ISP won&#8217;t let me send my newsletter to my opt-in customer list because they say I&#8217;m spamming.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I tell them that their ISP isn&#8217;t, in fact, calling them a spammer &#8212; that it is just an email sending policy that they (and all other outgoing SMTP mail servers) have in place to control the volume of email traffic being processed by their mail servers each hour/day and NOT a judgement about what they are sending, they are reluctant to accept it &#8212; UNTIL I get them set up with a mail server that has a daily send limit which actually supports their list size and sending frequency and they see first hand that everything gets delivered as it should.</p>
<p>3. How difficult inbox delivery has become for legitimate senders over the years as a result of the huge business that antispam has become. There are myriad (and non-standardized) antispam products and services everywhere now, like toll booths on the email highway to control spam. There is a lot of money to be made in the antispam business. Unfortunately, the money being spent isn&#8217;t having any significant effect on the volume of real spam being sent. </p>
<p>This is frustrating, because 80% of the world&#8217;s spam (you know, the viagra, stock, weight loss stuff and everything else that is completely irrelevant to us and clogs up our inbox) is sent from only 100 spam gangs (comprised of 400-600 KNOWN people in the world) according to Spamhaus&#8217; Rosco database. </p>
<p>It is unfair that the 2 billion other emailers around the world have to pay the price for the ineffective strategy to thwart those 400 individuals from sending the billions of messages that they do each day to make a profit from the 0.00001% conversion rate that they get (1 conversion for every 12,500,000 emails!). </p>
<p>We once called spam &#8220;batch and blast&#8221;. Ironically, antispam is taking the same approach at the moment. They are disrupting billions of emailers in order to control the spamming of 400 individuals. It&#8217;s like they are carpet bombing the Internet to defeat 100 spam gangs. </p>
<p>We could pay those 400 spammers 100 times more than they make by spamming to NOT spam if we just sent the money spent on antispam directly to them rather than spending it on all of the gates and gatekeepers and products and services and companies who have their sales forces out sweeping the globe to help us to keep spam away. </p>
<p>We could, in fact, hire those 400 spammers (who seem to always be one step ahead of the antispam industry) to devise a much more productive antispam system than we have now &#8212; a system that doesn&#8217;t make legitimate senders jump through so many hoops to send a simple email to their customers and expect a good inbox delivery rate.</p>
<p>Recently, I posited that antispam is actually more annoying (and costly) than spam ever was. You can read it at <a href="http://blog.group-mail.com/2011/08/20/is-antispam-worse-than-spam-a-libertarian-view/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.group-mail.com/2011/08/20/is-antispam-worse-than-spam-a-libertarian-view/</a></p>
<p>Thanks again Mark!</p>
<p>Tom </p>
<p>&#8211;<br />
With best regards from the GroupMail Team<br />
Tom O&#8217;Leary (marketing)<br />
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:23:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to admit, when someone asks if I&#039;d like a beer or another email, there can only be one answer.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Email more popular than beer&#8230;and other fun facts by Dave Alcock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Alcock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 11:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice to see you are taking a light heart approach to this. I like it. I still don&#039;t believe it&#039;s more popular than beer though.</description>
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